Integrity Marketing – Trickery and Deception

Trickery in adsI just got bombarded by a bunch of emails for the latest WordPress plugin that promises to increase the number of clicks on your blog. I’m sure you’ve probably seen a few of them.

It really sounds interesting, and from what I can see, it probably works great.

The problem is how it works. It is based on trickery and deception!

In fact, this is what you see in bright red letters just above the fold of the WSO page:

Then We Travelled To The Dark Side Of The Internet & Came Back With This Simple Plugin That’s So Effective At Generating Clicks That It’s Almost Bordering On Evil!

I’m sorry, but it’s well over the border.

Basically, the plugin formats your ads so that they look like various instant messenger popups. You can have it look like MSN, Yahoo! Messenger, etc. The idea is that people will respond to an instant message since they are expecting messages from their friends. It apparently works on dating sites, so now we’re being encouraged to use this technique everywhere.

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I’m all for finding ways to get peoples’ attention. That is what marketing is about. But tricking people into thinking your ad is something that it isn’t just doesn’t sit well with me.

Perhaps it’s just me. Maybe I’m a little too sensitive here. But do you really want to start your relationship with a new lead by tricking them? Is that the feeling that you want to start with? You’ve probably been on the receiving end of a deceptive sales program before. I bet you didn’t enjoy the process.

There is probably a fine line here. I’ve been around long enough to remember the banner ads that looked like a Windows 95 alert box, so the technique isn’t really all that new. Magazines often have full page ads that look like an article in the magazine, but now they need to have a big “ADVERTISEMENT” warning label on them.

Google AdWords encourages us to put text links in our articles on our AdWords sites. Just blend them in and it looks like part of the post. They say it works but is it honest?

When we’re looking at marketing techniques we need to look beyond just the rate at which it works. We need to take into account how it works and judge it by the honesty behind the mechanism.

What do you think? Is it going too far to have your ads look like another program’s messages popping up? Or is that fair game? Let us know in the comments. Invite your friends to have their say too.

Integrity Marketing – Is This The Internet You Want?

encourage integrityI had a very disturbing experience yesterday. And it got me to thinking about the state of things on the internet, in particular, marketing on the internet.

And I boiled my concerns down to one basic question:

Is this the Internet that you want?

We think about the internet as being some intricate web of information and entertainment that is out there. But we need to take a step back and realize one very important fact.

We are the internet.

More than any other medium in recent history, individuals like you and me have a say in what goes on in here. We write the news. We create the stories. We build the relationships.

So if the internet is a sorry mess, who do we blame for that? Google? Microsoft? Q?

A Bitter Taste

The experience I referred to in my opening paragraph was a bit disconcerting. It was a site the promised traffic. And we all know that traffic is the life blood of earning a living online. It was recommended by someone who’s list I’ve been on for a long time. Someone who I have a certain level of trust in. Well, had might be a more appropriate way to phrase that.

So I signed up, even though they wanted a phone number. What the heck for? I hate to admit it, but 999-999-9999 is not really my phone number 8=)

Immediately I’m presented with a garishly coloured site. Tiny text crammed everywhere. A chat screen in the middle and two live video feeds — one of which is someone calling out my name. “Watch the video and then come back here” they said.

Very off putting to say the least. I watched the sales presentation for their upgrade. Apparently this presentation was a recording of one of the top guys, but not the founder. I found the presentation to be okay. I felt comfortable with the guy presenting.

But afterwards, the video calling out my name, trying to get me to sign up. I haven’t even seen what the site is about and already they’re pestering me to upgrade. When I was balking at jumping on this fantastic offer, the founder himself (in another video window) jumped in to talk to me.

Things went downhill pretty fast from there. Apparently I’m a loser because I won’t jump in with both feet simply because he says so! Looking around, doing some due diligence on the site (which turned up bad when I did do it) makes me a loser. I don’t know if these guys are a scam (I doubt it) but they are definitely overly hyped. And their tactics could use a breath mint.

Well, I’m pretty happy being a loser if that’s what he thinks I am. But unfortunately, because of sites like this, we’re all losers. We lose the trust of people out there because of charlatans and high pressure hucksters.

I’ve seen this type of sales pressure in the offline world before. Usually with scams masquerading as the next big MLM opportunity.

What Can We Do?

That’s the next question. I hope that you are with me in wanting to have an internet that you’d be proud to have your kids visit. But the next step is how do we do it?

I don’t have any quick fixes or pat answers for you. I’m hoping that we can all dig together and come up with some ideas. Here are some general ones to think on:

  • Don’t be part of the problem. Make sure you don’t act dishonestly and don’t promote anyone who does.
  • Educate your friends and family. Help them to know what a scam looks like. Help them to learn how to filter out the hype. Show them where to find marketers of integrity.
  • Spread the message. Write blog posts about integrity. Teach people how to use scarcity without lying about it. Help them understand the power of building and maintaining trust.

Fight the Bad

Do we need a way to call the bad guys out on the carpet? I don’t know if that has any affect. There are several sites that have reviews of the offending site, pointing out their flaws. But people are still promoting and signing up to it.

One thing I like to do is send a private email to someone when the do something I think hurts their integrity. I don’t do it every time and many will either ignore you or attack you (I’ve experienced both). But some will realize you’re only trying to help them. And they may even change their tactics.

Support the Good

One way that I have found to support good marketers is through IMTrustWorthy. I don’t know if it will be the answer to the problems of trust and integrity, but it is a step in the right direction.

Becoming a member gives you the right to put a badge on your site, like the one you see in my sidebar (check out the site by clicking my badge if you’re interested in learning more). But it isn’t just a badge. It actually links back to my profile on the site. And other members of the site have the right to rate me and even make comments. It’s kind of like StumbleUpon for marketers.

I’m sure that there will be imitators and those that put up fake badges. And there is always the risk that the site will be gamed by unscrupulous marketers. But it is a start.

Another way that we can support one another is to speak up for one another. If you see someone doing something impressive, tweet it, plus it, blog about it.

The Challenge

So here’s a challenge. How are you making the web a better place? How are you setting the example of an integrity marketer?

Share your story in the comments or write a post at your blog and let me know. I’ll add links to this post as they come in.

Integrity Marketing – Are You A Digital Thief?

I received an email from one of the marketers who I really respect that had the subtitle of this article as the subject line. Reading through the email, I found that he laid out the pitfalls of not watching what you’re doing with online content in a way that makes the issues quite clear.
His name is Paul Myers and he runs TalkBiz.com and is the author of Need To Know (see how to get your free copy at the end of the article). He’s had over 14 years of experience in this online Wild, Wild, Web and we can all learn a thing or three from him. Anyway, I thought the email was well worth sharing with you all.
And by the way, I did get permission to post it 8=) Thanks Paul!

Don't violate copyrightAre You a Digital Thief?

The web is full of thieves.

You probably knew that. What you may not have known is that you may be one of them.

Yes, you.

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No, I’m not talking about outright piracy. I’m talking about copyright infringement. Using someone else’s intellectual property without their permission. And yes, it is not only possible to do this without being aware of it, it’s easy. Even when you actively try to avoid it.

I’m going to give you some examples of how that can happen, and some things you can do to help prevent it. Before I get into those, though, I need to remind you:

I am not a lawyer. Nothing in this issue should be taken as legal advice. Even if I were a lawyer, you’d be foolish to treat anything in an email sent to tens of thousands of people as legal advice. Consult an attorney if you need, or think you may need, specific advice for your unique situation.

And that’s your first lesson. Do not treat the comments of random strangers on the net as being anything like well-informed opinions regarding the law. That is the second biggest cause, after plain old ignorance, of people unknowingly infringing on the copyrights of others.

As you’ll see, that can become rather expensive.

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So, let’s look at some examples.

You hire a designer to create a web site for you. A few months later you get a letter from a stock photography site, demanding payment for use of a copyrighted image. You look and find that the site does, in fact, own and sell that image.

This happens all the time. It is especially common when you hire the job out to a designer with little experience, or from a country with lax attitudes about copyright.

While custom graphics are occasionally a source of this sort of problem, the real trap is in the use of photos. Stock photography is big business, and the photo houses can be very aggressive about protecting their property.

Ranting and raving that it’s all the designer’s fault may feel good, but it doesn’t absolve you of liability for the infringement.

Your site, your fines.

So, how do you avoid this problem?

First, don’t ever use a photograph on your site(s) – of anything – unless you’re sure you have proper permission. That means asking your designer to provide you a receipt for any stock images they use in the work they do for you. Better yet, buy the images you want to use, and provide them to the designer.

Also, be very suspicious of packages of “royalty-free” photos, especially higher quality pics.

I saw one package being offered recently that included resale rights to a bunch of pictures. Problem: The seller didn’t even have the right to use those photos, much less sell rights to them. Anyone buying that offer and using the pictures is infringing on the original owner’s copyright.

Trying to save a few bucks on high-quality images can get expensive, fast.

Don’t assume that “common” pictures are somehow exempt. I went looking for a photo of a beer glass recently, and was mildly surprised to find that even very simple pics with no background could go as high as $250 for a license.

Is it any wonder the stock houses want to protect their copyrights?

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We’ve all heard of people scraping articles or blog posts and re-posting them on their own sites without permission, and often without attribution.

Here’s one that really surprised me.

I saw a discussion recently in which the creator of a checklist found his document included in another person’s product. Originally, the second seller claimed the document was completely original. When presented with undeniable proof that the document was copied, the seller claimed his staff had found it online and had assumed it was “open source.”

Yes, he said open source.

There are a couple of problems with that. The first is that he was selling a product created by “researchers,” without verifying the origin of every part of the product. Sloppy and dangerous business, that.

The second is more disturbing. The seller stated publicly that he had assumed he had permission without any positive statement to that effect from the creator of the document. Not only did he make an assumption that was 100% wrong, he tried to “sell” that assumption as being okay.

Here’s how the default really works: If you aren’t sure you have the necessary permission to use someone else’s content, don’t use it.

You don’t assume permission.

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By the way, no matter who tells you otherwise, it is generally not okay to reprint someone’s articles or blog posts without their permission, even if you do give proper attribution and a link back to their site(s).

Some folks will tell you you’re safe, under the assumption that the owner won’t sue. Even if they’re right about that last part, your web host may shut down your account for copyright violations. And, if that isn’t enough deterrent, keep in mind that some registrars will actually take away a domain used in this fashion.

Don’t believe they can do that? Go to wherever you registered your domain(s) and read the terms of service.

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And yet another pitfall you’ll want to avoid…

If you contract with writers or programmers to create content for you, make sure your agreement regarding who owns the copyright to the resulting product is clear and enforceable.

I have seen a lot of people pay for what they thought was original work, only to be given a slightly (if at all) modified copy of another article, report, book, or piece of software. In some cases this is legal, as neither the first customer nor subsequent buyers specified their terms clearly.

In the case of software, this often results in arguments and public allegations of product theft. ANd, since either side could be lying, people tend to lose trust in both.

Be certain that your contracts specify that the work will be original, not derived from previous products, and that the creator will transfer exclusive copyright to the product to you upon payment. Make sure your lawyer understands what you’re doing with the product when they draw up the documents. This isn’t a complicated area of contract law, but it’s something you want to pay close attention to.

Also, keep in mind how difficult it can be to enforce a contract with someone living in another part of your own country. Then think about whether you want to try and enforce it when dealing with someone on another continent.

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Keep in mind that the underlying code isn’t the only potential problem area. I encountered a situation recently in which someone created a desktop application to handle a type of online automation. The programmer was accused of infringing on a product that was web-based, but included the same functions.

The code was entirely different, but the interfaces were so similar that there was clearly a problem.

The functions are defined by the service this particular type of software interacts with. It was strictly the visual layout and labelling that created the problem.

Ask an intellectual property attorney to explain “look and feel” to you. It’s a much more interesting conversation than many matters of law.

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Here’s an interesting myth you’ll want to remove from your belief system: The idea that taking someone else’s work and re-writing it in your own words makes it safe for you to sell.

Wroooong.

It doesn’t matter if you change every word in the product. If it’s too close to the original in structure, concept, and message, you may be guilty of creating an infringing “derivative work.”

And those “article spinners?” If you’re taking someone else’s articles and running them through software that just exchanges a bunch of synonyms for the original words, you are almost certainly guilty of copyright infringement.

Yes. Really. But don’t take my word for it. I’m not an attorney.

Ask your lawyer.

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Now, let’s look at something that’s a bit murkier. Real “open source” code.

There’s an interesting legal discussion that’s been going on for quite a while regarding WordPress and related plugins and themes. WordPress is released under the GPL (GNU Public License), version 2. The simple version of the argument goes like this:

WordPress is covered by the GPL, which allows anyone to modify and distribute the code, subject to certain requirements. Anyone meeting those requirements may freely distribute the original code, or their own modifications of it, whether for a fee or at no cost.

The good folks at WordPress.org claim that any code which relies on the core WordPress code is, by extension, also covered under the same license. GPL v2.

I have heard logical arguments from credible and well-informed people on both sides of the debate. There are a few things no-one who pays attention will argue, though. One is that any product which is specifically released under the GPL by its creator(s) may be modified and/or distributed, for free or a fee, by anyone who fulfills the license requirements.

The other is that if a WP theme or plugin is not specifically released, as a complete product, under the GPL, there are parts of it that CAN be subject to the usual copyright restrictions. Meaning, just because it’s a WP theme or plugin, you shouldn’t assume you can do whatever you like with the whole thing.

The creator can, and often does, retain strict copyright control over included CSS, HTML files, images, and documentation.

Every month I see more and more clueless people playing with that particular box of matches. And, like blue tips, you really need to be careful where you strike them, since even the smallest brush with the wrong “surface” can light you up.

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You long time readers know, I create a lot of content of my own. Still, I use a lot that’s created by other people. The trick to that is simple: You get permission.

All that’s needed is to ask. Use what gets a yes, and skip the rest.

A lot of the products I sell were created by other people. In those cases, the permission results from a simple transaction: I pay for the right to sell it.

I don’t believe you need to be an expert in a topic to add a product on it to your line. Just buy the expertise from someone who is. Or trade for it. There is a whole world of people out there who know things you don’t, and they all want something you can provide.

You need to be careful when buying the rights to other people’s products, though. Specifically, you want to make sure you’re buying from the creator, and then check the products yourself to make sure they’re original.

Both parts of that are important. There are a lot of sites out there offering “resale rights” of various kinds that don’t have a valid license to resell said rights.

A few years back, a lawyer friend of mine went after a whole herd of people who were selling one of his products. They’d paid someone for resale rights, only to find out later that the guy they bought from was essentially pirating the product. That cost them, if memory serves, around $3000 each for the mistake.

Buying directly from the source isn’t always a lot safer. In an example that’s a bit closer to home than the rest here, I recently bought a graphics package that was pretty sweet. It included a number of fonts, which I checked out after downloading it. They were all copyrighted by various type foundries and big companies. Including Microsoft.

Ummm… Ooops.

Despite the guy’s protests that the actual graphics were all original, there’s no way I’d consider using that package for my own sites, much less re-selling any part of it. Anyone who’s that careless about copyright is dangerous to work with.

Know who you’re dealing with.

If you’re looking for graphic design elements, there are two people whose products stand out, and who I can recommend as offering truly original and high quality products.

No affiliate links there, folks. I’m just a happy customer.

Some of you know the problems I had trying to find a designer who could give me the spartan look I wanted for one of my sites. No matter how many times I emphasized “simple, black and white design, reminiscent of a newspaper or letterhead,” they handed me stuff that looked more like a comic book than the evening news.

Until I went to Thomas. One demo and a minor revision later and I have what I was looking for.

We like that.

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Here’s the thing: If you pay other people to do work for you, you will never be 100% certain that you’re not using infringing material. Taking sensible steps can reduce the chances of problems to close to zero. And, if you document those steps, you can reduce the potential liability significantly, even if you’re not 100% successful.

Given what it can cost to infringe on the property of another person or company, it’s just not worth the risk. Even if it weren’t Plain Old Theft.

Be careful out there…

Paul

http://www.talkbiz.com

Copyright 2011 TalkBiz Digital, LLC

“100% of the shots you don’t take don’t go in.”
– Wayne Gretzky

Well, I hope you enjoyed reading this post. I know it was long but it is definitely worth reading. Take the warnings Paul gives seriously. You can find yourself on the wrong side of a lawsuit far too easily.
And if you’re looking for that free copy of Paul’s book, head on over to TalkBiz and you’ll get all the details there.
Arrested image by mzacha at stock.xchng

Integrity Marketing – Lies Everywhere

Stop signUpdate: There have been lots of comments on Keith Purkiss’ blog about the giveaway event described below. It seems that much of the fuss is about a miscommunication — see the update in that section for more info…

The more I try to learn about integrity marketing, especially with respect to online marketing, the more discouraged I get. It seems that integrity and morals are a thing of the past. The world seems to be full of lies. Deceit is the order of the day.

Here are a few recent examples.

Dishonest Giveaway

I received a couple emails promoting a new giveaway, the Everyone Wins event. It looked pretty interesting when I saw the list of names that were involved. It seemed that either this giveaway was standing out somehow, or giveaways in general must be making a comeback. There were a couple big names on the list that I don’t recall ever seeing in a giveaway before.

But there was a problem. The mechanism that the event was using is one I’d seen before. It was a violation of Aweber’s terms of use since the members would sign up for the event, but they wouldn’t sign up for each individual list — the event software takes care of that. Aweber doesn’t like that since it breaks the chain of events and they can’t fight a spam complaint.

So I mentioned it to Keith Purkiss, who is one of the guys who emailed me about the event. And guess what he found out? He contacted one of his buddies that was listed as being part of the event. He didn’t have a clue what Keith was talking about! Keith wrote about it in his article Is 2011 Really The Year Of Ethical Marketers? Great question Keith.

Now that I’ve had some time to reflect on it, I never got an email about this event from the big names I recognized. Do you think they’d sign up for an event and not mail their lists? Pretty sad.

Anyway, I’m glad that Keith had the guts to email his list afterwards to warn them and write that post.

Update – November 2, 2011: There have been a lot of comments on Keith’s blog about this event by the organizers and some of the big names that were listed there. A couple of things that have come to light:

  1. One of the marketers listed was not supposed to be there — it was a miscommunication over similar sounding names.
  2. Keith has taken a lot of flak over his post although he was pointing out his concerns to his list and they were not addressed in a timely fashion by the organizers.
  3. The big names shown on the sign up page are not necessarily joining the event as JV partners (some are, some aren’t). Rather, they have contributed prizes for the contest portion of the event. This was not clearly outlined and has probably led to much of the confusion. It’s probable that this was not intended to deceive people.
  4. There is still the issue that one of the people on the list was contacted directly by Keith and said that they didn’t know about the event (he doesn’t name that person).

Comment Spam Reversal?

Then there is the WSO I was emailed about the other day. This was for a WordPress plugin that was designed to increase your blogs attractiveness to Google and the other search engines.

Sounds great, until you read what it is doing. The premise is that Google loves to see comment activity on a blog. Makes sense. So you want to increase the interaction, right?

But how can a plugin do that? It’s simple. It creates fake comments. You read that right — fake comments.

In other words, you end up spamming your own blog with fake comments by fake user names with links to your own properties and/or affiliate links.

You have the option of adding your own comments or just reusing the spam that naturally comes into your blog.

Super honest technique (that is sarcasm for anyone who missed it). But people love it. There were tons of comments on the thread from people gushing with praise and others complaining that the server went down and they couldn’t get their copy quick enough.

Reviews

Another article that popped up in the past few days that caught my attention was Fake Online Hotel Reviews and Other Demons by Rodney Perez. He outlines some of the fiascoes in the hotel review industry, like employees writing fake reviews of their own hotel (positive ones of course) as well as fake reviews of their competitors (negative reviews known as negging).

He also talks about Craigslist ads for positive reviews. I’ve seen similar things on Fiverr.

The same kind of stuff happens on Amazon and other sites that allow users to review a product.

Lies, Lies and More Lies

It is pretty sad that many of the techniques that we use to get traffic and promote our products are based on lies.

I’ve seen advice that tells you to create multiple accounts at social media and bookmarking sites to promote your posts. Others that tell you to hand craft testimonials (note that this is different than encouraging testimonials from actual customers). Fake earnings “screenshots”. Fake comments (automated or not). Spamming blogs and forums. Deceptive email headlines. The list of deceptive techniques seems to grow daily.

So how do we deal with it? The sad fact is that it often works — at least short term. But it leaves a bad taste in people’s mouths. And that colours all of us. One bad apple does spoil the whole bunch, no matter what Michael said.

I have a site that has some quality articles about a topic that I know about first hand. But HubPages won’t let me link to that site. I have a link in the sidebar that links to eBooks being sold on Clickbank. Also, it is in a subdomain and the main domain has an eStore that sells eBooks.

Fear of Panda has HubPages rejecting my well written articles because of one or the other of these reasons (they still haven’t clarified which — it could be both).

Let’s have some ideas. How can we do better? How can we stand up against the bad apples and show the world that there really is integrity left online?

Integrity Marketing – The Internet Marketing Code of Ethics

Do we need an Internet Marketing Code of Ethics?

You who are on the road
Must have a code that you can live by
And so become yourself
Because the past is just a goodbye
— Graham Nash

There are a lot of dishonest people in the world who have no qualms about taking your hard earned money in any way that they can. And the internet has created more opportunities for them to flourish and spread their evil.

You don’t want to be like them. At least I hope you don’t. I know that there are times when you’re tempted to say “What the …” and jump to the dark side, but you resist.

But what about those times where we slowly drift over the line? I’m sure that you’ve heard the experiment with the frogs who didn’t jump out of the boiling water because it slowly rose to a boil while they were in it. We run that risk as marketers when we slip into the grey areas.

We need a way to keep ourselves in line — to hold ourselves and one another accountable. We need a code.

The Internet Marketing Code of Ethics

Many people are asking if we need a code of ethics. Brendan Wenzel of Launch Karma asks Should Internet Marketing Have a Code of Ethics?

Gary Simpson has a free 55 page report on How Not To Be An Internet Marketing Zombie over at Internet Marketing Talk (remind me never to piss Gary off — I think he could take me 8=) It’s a passionate look at unethical behaviour.

I’ve even written about some of the unscrupulous methods of marketing I’ve seen.

I stumbled upon The Internet Marketer’s Code of Ethics at Dennis Pippen’s site. I’m not sure if Dennis originated this proposed framework (I think it may actually originate from Ken Harthun), but I think it is a good guideline for anyone who wants to be a Marketer of Integrity.

Sadly, a search for “internet marketers code of ethics” didn’t bring up as many results in Google as I had hoped. However, Simon Dodd, Trish Mullen and Ken Harthun have all promoted this same code so there is growing awareness. [Ken’s comments in the Warrior Forum lead me to believe that he originated the code but I was unable to get to his site to verify it.]

I also found the American Marketing Association has a code of ethics. As internet marketing is a subset of marketing in general this might be a good place to start.

At some point it would be nice to see a foundation of sorts that is responsible for this code of ethics. It will need some work, but as people become more educated about online purchasing it will help you stand out amongst the crowd.

IMTrustWorthy

One promising site is IMTrustWorthy [note that this is an affiliate link]. This site allows members to post an IMTrustWorthy badge on their site (see mine in the sidebar). The badge links back to their profile which other members of the site can rate and provide feedback on.

This allows us to judge each other based on a set of best practices (they are somewhat similar to the code). You can also network with other marketers to find partners for JV events, etc.

The site is currently in beta but I hope that it will grow. But it will need us all to work together to make it grow. If you haven’t signed up for it yet then get on over there and check it out. Now!

It’s Up To You

You are a Marketer of Integrity, so what do you think? Is this code something that is worth pursuing? Many feel that it is a waste of time. Others feel that it is an empty promise — either you are ethical or you’re not.

What do you think? Let us know in the comments or write a post about it and link back here. The more we fight to stand up for integrity, the better this industry will be.

I’ve Discovered the Problem With Internet Marketing — It’s Me!

I’ve had an epiphany.  A breakthrough realization.  I now know what is the problem with internet marketing and list building.  It’s me!  That’s right, me.

“Well,” I hear you ask “how do you know this?”

Great question.  I know this because an internet marketer told me so.

Let’s get into the story.  I signed up for a free membership site which put me onto a mailing list.  So far I’m sure that your familiar with how this works.  The membership site had a collection of free downloads — eBooks, software, etc.  It was basically a collection of PLR and MRR products.  No problem, I checked a few out and didn’t see much that was of interest to me.

Then the emails came.  Nothing out of the ordinary.  Typical of the current crop of ad swap list builders.  Nothing that I couldn’t handle.  This list builder was no worse (or better) than most of the lists I’ve signed up for.  Didn’t really stand out in terms of what he/she was offering.

After about 2 weeks I got an email that had 4 of my unsubscribe triggers in it.  Since I hadn’t seen anything outstanding from this person I decided that it was time to unsubscribe.  Then the little feedback dialog box came up.  So I pointed out the reasons why I was unsubscribing.  Usually this is the end of the story (although I’ve had a couple polite “Thank you for the feedback” type emails).  This time was different.

First, we’ll start with my feedback:

Comments:
Your subject line in the last email triggered 2 things that I hate —  using Re: and mentioning payments.
Also, you don’t mention anything about the product except that it is “normally $47”.
Finally, you’ve used blank lines to push your unsubscribe info further down the page — annoying and in violation of AWeber terms of use.

Not a lot of fluff in there, just the facts.  Here’s what I got back.

Waaaa Waaaaa

You’re like one of these people that look to find stuff to complain about…
You’re also probably one of these guys that purchase something and then find a reason to demand a refund.
I mean, it’s not like you were paying for membership anyways…

Scram off and don’t come back around… I for sure don’t need you or your complaints and attitude… In other words,
GET LOST !!!

Oops.  I guess I came across too harsh somehow.  This poor fellow must be having a bad day and has decided to take it out on me.

Hi XXXXXXXXXX

I’m sorry that my constructive criticisms offended you.  I figured that rather than just unsubscribe I’d let you know why I did.  Sorry that you really didn’t want to hear it.  You might want to turn that feature off in the autoresponder.  It will save both you and your unsubscribers the time.

And I was paying with my time which you obviously don’t care about.  And I could have become a paying customer at some point, but now I never will.

I have never purchased anything and looked for a reason to refund it.  I also don’t look for stuff to complain about, but I do find lots of it as there are lots of people out there like you.  I always hope for the best when I subscribe to a list.  And I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Best of luck in the future.  I hope you don’t tell too many people to GET LOST!! though.  It’s pretty hard to sell things when you do that.

Ciao
Bill

Finally, the epiphany email:

You wasn’t going to order anything through us anyways…

Remember, you unsubscribed…

I don’t even want customers like yourself…

You aren’t interested in our services and products…
You are only interested in nosing around different marketers to find out what they are doing, marketing etc..
I have ways to know what others are up to, but don’t pay that much attention until someone like you finds stuff to bitch at.
I really need to eliminate more just like you, but I’m laid back – cool until someone like yourself comes along.
I can take constructive criticism, but yours wasn’t in that nature… It was more like you wanted to take a piss on something…

It’s people like you that are part of the problem in this niche

NOT part of the answer….

So, now we know.  I’m the problem.  If only I didn’t expect marketers to be honest and have respect for my time when they email something.  If only I didn’t expect people to provide me with something of value rather than endless ads.  If only I didn’t expect to build a relationship of trust and respect with someone before I buy their products.

So, to all you struggling internet marketers out there, I’m sorry that I’m part of the problem.

NOTE: This post is a Ramblings Classics. It was originally published at Ramblings on October 14, 2010.

Integrity Marketing – Using Alternate Identities

Mask of FlameOne controversial feature of the internet is that it makes anonymity very easy. You can create many alternate identities and slip from one to another with ease.

Like everything, this has a good side and a dark side.

Alternate Identities in the Real World

Secret identities are nothing new. Writers (pseudonyms), movie stars and musicians (stage names) and superheroes (alter egos) have used alternate identities for centuries. So have spies and con artists. They can be used to protect the innocent, provide privacy or hide evil intent.

Pseudonyms, stage names, etc. are alternate identities that are designed to protect the privacy of an author or present a more marketable brand. I’ve written several stories for children and I hope to have them published under a pseudonym to make them more fun and entertaining.

Online Identities

And there is a place in Internet Marketing for alternate identities as well.

There are many marketers who use pseudonyms to set up niche web sites so that their competition doesn’t know and to make it easier to flip the site if they so choose. It is also used if you want to create a different brand in one niche.

I’ve read work by a lady freelancer who uses a male pseudonym to overcome gender bias for her business (a real life Remington Steele for those of you old enough to remember that show) — it was amazing how much better her business did when clients thought she was a man.

The important thing is that the identity is not intended to defraud anyone (although the female/male thing is close to the line). They are merely used to protect identity and/or for branding purposes.

The Dark Side of Alternate Identities

But the dark side of alternate identities lurks everywhere.

The obvious problem is the con artists who create an identity, run a campaign, pocket as much cash as they can and bail. Then they create a new identity and start again. They sell crappy products, ignore refund and support requests and sometimes don’t even deliver the product.

But there is a more subtle use that many marketers fall prey to — multiple Facebook/Twitter/Email/{insert your favourite here} accounts. It seems innocent enough, but the intent is to defraud and I think that you need to think twice about doing something like this.

Don’t get me wrong — I have several Twitter and email accounts. This is allowed and I’m not using them to defraud. What I’m talking about is setting up multiple accounts and false identities for driving traffic by creating false social proof.

The way it works is this (I’ll use Facebook as an example).

  1. Create 10 gmail accounts.
  2. Create a Facebook account for each one.
  3. Have them “friend” 5,000 people (the maximum allowed on Facebook).
  4. Have them Like and promote your fan page(s).

I’ve seen several How To Rock Facebook type reports recommend a variation on this technique. One actually suggested setting up accounts for your relatives who aren’t interested in Facebook for this!

The problem here is that you are using the alternate identities (false email accounts as well) in a dishonest way. You’re pretending to be someone who hasn’t got a commercial interest in the fan page. That is a lie. It is dishonest. The reports even go so far as to misrepresent yourself when trying to make friends.

The same technique is used in many social media sites, including bookmarking sites like StumbleUpon and Digg. I have read reports recommending that you set up 30 or more accounts and use varying subsets to bookmark and vote on your blog posts or whatever.

The intent is to create a false social proof. I imagine that there are those who post multiple comments on their own blogs or have several accounts in forums for the same purpose.

The problem is that this is creating a falsehood — intentionally. Not something that a practitioner of Integrity Marketing wants to do.

What About You?

Do you use alternate identities in your marketing? Do you use them honestly, or you ever been tempted to use these techniques? The problem is that they work until you get caught.

Please share your experiences in the comments. I’d love to hear what you’re going through.

Integrity Marketing – Honesty in Internet Marketing

Solution of a mazeThere seems to be a growing number of people who are getting fed up with the lack of integrity in internet marketing — me included.

With the scope of the internet and the ease of changing identities, it is quite simple to use tactics that are less than honest without getting caught. A marketer can milk as much money from unsuspecting consumers as possible. Then they can move on to a new identity and run another campaign.

The problem is that these techniques work and many new marketers just follow them — it’s Standard Operating Procedure.

I would love to see an increase in honesty in internet marketing. If you’ve read this far I assume you would as well. So what do we do about it? I see 3 basic options at this point:

  1. Nothing. Just let it slide. Hope that karma will catch up with them.
  2. Fight back. Complain to the affiliate centers like Clickbank. Complain to the government. Write ranting posts and scathing reviews of the offending products.
  3. Educate people. Teach people what to look for when evaluating a product. Show new guys how the dirty tricks will work for a time, but bring a backlash that no one wants down the road.

I don’t think that options #1 or #2 are all that great — they lead down a road that sees more government intervention, red tape and overhead for online entrepreneurs. That being said, there will be times when the these options are valuable.

But I believe it is best to focus on option #3.

Let’s find ways to educate other marketers who may have learned some bad habits without realizing it. Let’s find ways to encourage honesty in internet marketing. Build relationships that strengthen integrity in the market.

We can also look for ways to inform the general public. Help them see through the scams, the false promises and dishonest techniques.

I know that we may not always agree on where the lines are, but it is important that we agree that the lines exist. If we don’t, then we’ll all need to find a new place to play when the governments and big business come to paint the lines for us.

I plan to write more about this subject under the title of Integrity Marketing. So watch for more posts and share your thoughts on the subject. If you’ve written on this subject I’d love to hear about it.

And don’t be afraid to disagree with me. All I ask is that you keep it civil.

Let’s get talking.