Battling Comment Spam — Moderating Comments

Battling Comment SpamIn our past two posts we’ve looked at what comment spam is and how we can minimize it. Now comes the hard part — individually looking at the comments that make it past our defenses and deciding what to do with them.

Detecting Spam — Moderation Queue

If you’ve got Akismet or some other spam filter set up then you will have some potential spam comments in your moderation queue to deal with.  Most of the blatant spam comments you’ll recognize and you can just skip over them.  Once we’ve moderated the tricky ones then we’ll just delete everything left in the queue.

However, recognizing Sneaky spam takes a bit of learning.  If you have only one blog then you’ll be less likely to see the work of spambots as they hit each of your blogs with the exact same comment.  But over time you’ll see patterns that help you to recognize that a comment is likely spam.

Name

First of all, check out who it is coming from.  Is the name a keyword or a real name (or at least a nickname like LoneWolf)?  If there isn’t a real name then that is a flag — not necessarily proof mind you.

URL and Email

Next, look at the URL that they entered and the email address.  Do they match?  Do they make sense?  If not, there’s another flag.  Keep in mind that many users set up throw away email addresses to reduce email spam so you may still have a legitimate comment even though the email looks strange.

Avatar

Another flag that indicates possible spam is the lack of a Gravatar.  Spammers rarely have them but keep in mind that the lack of one does not prove that the comment is spam.  It is just another clue.

Content

Ultimately, you have to look at the content of the comment itself.  Does it relate to the post?  Does it add value to the conversation?  Many spam comments are very generic and usually complimentary (although I’ve seen those that issue a generic challenge).  You’ll see things like “Great post!” or “You write very well.  Are you a professional?” While it is possible that these are legitimate comments (they usually aren’t), they don’t really add to the conversation.  They do feel good though — if they’re from a real person who wrote them sincerely.

Spammers are becoming more creative, and have taken to using quotations from blogs and/or comments to create the comments that they send.  They also have comments that are related to keywords and target blogs that mention them.  This makes it a little more tricky to catch the spam.

One tool that I use is Google.  If I have a comment that I’m not sure about, I’ll cut and paste it into Google search with double quotes around it to look for exact matches.  You’ll be surprised to see the exact same comment appear in dozens or even hundreds of search results.

But even then, the spammers are getting smarter.  Just yesterday I got the following comment on one of my blogs.

I can’t understand how to add your blog to my rss reader. some recomendations are appreciated I really want to see your articles.

It seemed like a reasonable request for help, but I checked it in Google just to be sure.  No matches!  Well, let’s help this person out.  I send them an email with a link to an RSS tutorial.  Guess what!  No such email address existed.  So I did another search, this time with only the first sentence.  Bingo!  Ding! Ding! Ding!  We have a winner!  Dozens of matches — each with a slightly different wording of the second sentence.

Ultimately, you are going to have to decide whether a comment is useful for the conversation on your blog.  You may sometimes block a legitimate user’s comment, but that is rare and they should have made a better comment in the first place.

Spammer Databases

There are many people out there who are dedicated to battling spam in many forms. One group that I’ve found helpful is Stop Forum Spam. This group has set up a database of known spammers that you can check to see if the name, email address or IP address matches a known spammer.

This group was formed to deal with people who sign up to forums in order to spam them and I discovered them when looking at the signups for my Drupal based site (Master It). I decided to test the spam comment that I mentioned above and found that the IP address was a match in their database. So, this may be a good resource for bloggers to use as well. They do have an API for checking and reporting spammers, so I can imagine a plugin at some point.

Detecting Spam — The Rest

Now that you’ve dealt with the moderation queue, you still need to look at the comments that made it through the filters and plugins (unless you’re moderating everything — you’re not do that are you?)  But this should be fun.  This is where you’re seeing actual conversations.  There should be very little spam that made it this far, if any.

So read the comments, respond and enjoy.  This is a big part of why we blog in the first place.

Reporting Spam

There is one last thing to consider before we leave this topic.  Tools like Akismet and Stop Forum Spam will only work if we all report the spam we receive.  They use existing spam to be able to detect future spam, so make sure that you report the spam and spammers using the tools that you set up for your blog.  We’ll all have less spam to deal with in the long run.

Conclusion

So that leaves us with just one thing left … your comments!  What do you use to help battle comment spam?  What is the most creative spam that you’ve ever seen on your blog?  Share your thoughts below.


Update!

While this was intended to be the last post in this series, an ironic twist presented itself and I couldn’t pass up the opportunity for another post.  See Battling Comment Spam — A Real Life Example.

[stextbox id=”custom” mleft=”20px” mtop=”20px”]This post was part of a series originally posted at my blog Ramblings. I feel that this series  is a good fit for LMA so I’ve reposted them here.[/stextbox]


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Battling Comment Spam – Dealing With It

Battling Comment SpamCombating Spam

In the previous post we looked at what blog comment spam is.  We defined three different types and looked at three different sources.  But now we want to know, “How do we fight back?”  Comments are a valuable part of blogging and the social web.  They are vital for building community.  But it takes time to moderate comments.  What ways can help us handle the load?

Shutdown

Some bloggers have given up the fight.  They shut comments off completely and the blog becomes a one-way rant rather than a conversation.  I find this very frustrating.   It cuts out an important part of the blog experience and doesn’t help the community.  There are no conversations, no backlinks, no accountability.  This is appropriate for a corporate information site, but not for a blog.

Laissez Faire

Others have given up the fight by going in the opposite direction.  They just auto approve everything.  They get lots of spammy comments (and I’m sure that the spammers share this information) and let them sit in amongst the true conversation — kind of like weeds in a garden.  This works well as long as you don’t mind the type of spam coming in.  Some of it is actually quite creative and even fits into your blog.

But what happens when you start seeing the pornography comments?  Or the “600 link” comments?  What happens when your visitors see them?

Middle Ground

Most of us have to live somewhere in the middle ground between these two extremes.  But how do we handle it without going crazy?  Well there are lots of techniques that are in use right now and you need to find a combination that works well for you.

I use mostly WordPress blogs, so this will lean more towards WP but most of these techniques should be available in other blog software.

Blog Settings

WordPress Dicsussion Settings (part 1)

WordPress Comment Settings

WordPress allows you to set up some basic comment moderation.  There are several settings:

Discussion

  1. Require commenters sign up for your blog.  I know that always turns me away from commenting on someone’s blog — I don’t have time to register and remember another userid/password.  Check out Are You Chasing Your Blog Audience Away? for a well written post on this subject.  Bottom line, don’t do this unless you’re building a forum.
  2. All comments are put into the moderation queue.  This is the kind of work we’re trying to avoid, so lets see what else there is.
  3. Allow users who’ve already had approved comments on your blog to post without moderation.  This will cut down on the amount of work required if you have a lot of repeat commenters.  But keep in mind that spammers know this and will often put in 1 or 2 good comments to get past this and then start spamming.
  4. Allow all comments.  Believe it or not, this is the route that use on my blogs although I have some plugins that help identify spam.

Filters

WordPress Discussion Settings (Part 2)

WordPress Comment Filter Settings

There is also a section of comment filters that is applied to every incoming comment regardless of the settings described above.  This allow you to set up general filters that look for certain keywords or multiple links.

I’ve left these alone as the plugins that I use will do a better job of catching these types of spam comments.

Avatars

WordPress Discussion Settings (Part 3)

WordPress Avatar Settings

Finally, there is the avatar.  If you’re not familiar with this concept, I’d suggest that you check out Gravatar, the de facto standard for avatar handling on the web at this point.  It allows users to have a profile picture that follows them around the web.  Set it up once and it is there for any site that allows them to be used.  This functionality is built into WordPress and most other CMS and blog systems.

The advantage to having Gravatar enabled on your site is that spammers rarely have one.  They are based on email addresses and spambots use throwaway addresses.  This will be a big help when moderating the comments that get into the queue (or even those that get through).  Keep in mind that the absence of a Gravatar is not a spam indicator by itself — many legitimate users don’t use them yet leave thoughtful and useful comments.

Plugins

Now that we’ve done what we can do with WordPress out of the box, we can now start to tinker.  If you go to the Install Plugins page and enter the keyword spam you’ll be presented with a list of plugins that deal with spam related issues.  The current list shows 19 entries.  Some of them are older plugins that are no longer supported (or needed).  There is even one that let’s you turn off the colour coding for spam entries so they don’t clash with the admin theme colours.

But of the rest, there are 2 major classes of plugins — those that try to prevent or slow down spammers and those that try to determine which comments are spam after the fact.

Prevention

These plugins use different techniques to ensure that the comment is coming from a live person rather than a spambot.  They’re usually pretty effective and use techniques such as Captcha’s or mathematical questions that are hard (but not impossible) for a spambot to crack.

They work pretty well at keeping out most of the spam, but they may also keep out a lot of legitimate comments.  I know that I hate them and I doubt that I’m alone.  They make for an extra step to leave a comment.  And no matter how politely they are presented, the implication is that you don’t trust me.  For this reason alone, I don’t plan on using this type of plugin to combat spam.

Detection

Detection is the other route.  These plugins will scan comments that come in, looking for various characteristics that indicate spam.  The best of them use databases to compare comments against.  Over time they become more accurate.  They will detect potential spam comments and either delete them or put them into the moderation queue for you to check.

I like this route.  It allows most legitimate comments to come through without any intervention or extra steps on the commenter’s part.  The comments show up immediately.  And any questionable comments will end up in the moderator’s queue where you get to decide.

My favourite plugin for spam detection is Akismet, which comes built in to WordPress.  You’ll need to get a free API key to allow the plugin access to the database, but that’s all.  The API key works for multiple sites and there are Akismet plugins for other CMS products (for example, I have a Drupal site with Akismet enabled).

The Future

What does the future hold?  Well, if the past is any indication, spam will continue to be a problem for bloggers.  As long as it gives them a benefit (i.e. traffic and/or backlinks) that outweighs the costs they will continue to find ways to put comments in our blogs.  Hopefully platforms like WordPress will be able to introduce tools to reduce spambots.  I’m hoping to see a mod that will use nonces to bounce the bots.  I don’t know if it would work 100% and there are some other issues with it.  But it may be one way to make things harder for them.

In the mean time, we have to continue to be vigilant in our fight against spam.  We need to look at our strategy to keep spam out of our blogs while encouraging good communities.  It isn’t an easy task, but I believe that it is worth it.

The Next Phase — Moderating

We will have some comments in our moderator queue that the filters and plugins weren’t sure about.  There may be some comments that went live when they shouldn’t have.  And worst of all, there may be some false positives that were flagged as spam.  In the next article will discuss how to handle this.

[stextbox id=”custom” mleft=”20px” mtop=”20px”]This post was part of a series originally posted at my blog Ramblings. I feel that this series  is a good fit for LMA so I’ve reposted them here.[/stextbox]


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Battling Comment Spam – What Is It?

Battling Comment SpamAnyone who has a blog knows that comments are magnets for spam. Many bloggers have struggled with ways to deal with spam and I can imagine it becomes harder as your blog becomes more popular, not easier. But lets take a closer look at these comments.

Comment Spam Types

There are several different types of comment spam. Some of it is easy to identify, but spammers are becoming more creative.

1. Blatant Spam — This is obvious spam. It usually has nothing to do with the topic of the post (unless there is a lucky coincidence). It will usually have a couple of links to the websites that the spammer wants to promote. There are even times where the comment is not even in the same language as your post (or even the same character set).

2. Link-o-Rama Spam — This is probably a sub-type of the Blatant spam. But you’ll find that these comments are very long and consist mostly of keyword/link combinations. What is often amazing about these comments is the variety of links.

3. Sneaky Spam — Here we get to the type of spam that is more troublesome. These comments will often be vague (things like ‘Nice post.’ or ‘You write good blogs.’) and flattering (although I’ve seen some that tell me I’m wrong about what I wrote). These are the kind of comments that when we first see them, we think “They love me. They really love me!”. However, over time we begin to realize that these comments are just backlink attempts.

The spammer can get even more sneaky. Rather than just sending generic comments to thousands of blog posts, they scan for keywords and submit comments that fit. It becomes obvious when you have comments about Volkswagen Golf on your golf blog, but these can often be hard to detect.

Some spammers are actually using quotes from the post or other comments to sneak their way in. You do have to give the spammers credit for creativity.

Comment Spam Techniques

Most spam in your blog comes from three different routes.

Good Comments

There are certain types of comments that a blogger is looking to encourage on their blog. Peter Davies at Interactive Blogger has a great article describing good blog commenting techniques. Check it out to learn more about how to create good comments.

1. Other Bloggers — These comments are usually the Sneaky Spam types. They come from a blogger who is trying to build backlinks to their site by commenting on as many blogs as possible. However, these comments don’t add anything to the conversation and they often make you wonder whether the poster has even read the article.

2. Outsourced Backlinkers: You can hire people in third world countries who, for a fee, will spend hours commenting on blogs in your name, or at least with your url. These comments are often Sneaky Spam comments but can be Blatant Spam as well.

3. Spambots: The most insidious spam comments come from bots. These bots simply call the appropriate url to submit a comment without even going to your blog page. I know that this happens because my blogs get less traffic than comments on a regular basis. And the comments are often found on posts or pages that Google Analytics shows have received 0 visits.

These are where the Link-o-Rama Spam come from (no one is going to type in that many keywords and links), but a lot of the Blatant and Sneaky types are submitted this way too. On Cookie Crumbles I have some cartoon posts that have received comments like “You write really well …”. There is no way a live person would put that comment there (I hope 8=)

Spambots are getting more clever and will often use keyword searches to determine what comment to put on your blog. You may even find that the comments contain quotes from your article or other comments.

Combating Spam

How do we fight back? Comments are a valuable part of blogging and the social web. They are vital for building community. But it takes time to moderate comments. What ways can help us handle the load?

Well, that’s what the next two articles are all about.

Battling Comment Spam — Dealing With It

In the mean time, tell us all what bothers you most about spam.

[stextbox id=”custom” mleft=”20px” mtop=”20px”]This post was part of a series originally posted at my blog Ramblings. I feel that this series  is a good fit for LMA so I’ve reposted them here.[/stextbox]


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I’ve Discovered the Problem With Internet Marketing — It’s Me!

I’ve had an epiphany.  A breakthrough realization.  I now know what is the problem with internet marketing and list building.  It’s me!  That’s right, me.

“Well,” I hear you ask “how do you know this?”

Great question.  I know this because an internet marketer told me so.

Let’s get into the story.  I signed up for a free membership site which put me onto a mailing list.  So far I’m sure that your familiar with how this works.  The membership site had a collection of free downloads — eBooks, software, etc.  It was basically a collection of PLR and MRR products.  No problem, I checked a few out and didn’t see much that was of interest to me.

Then the emails came.  Nothing out of the ordinary.  Typical of the current crop of ad swap list builders.  Nothing that I couldn’t handle.  This list builder was no worse (or better) than most of the lists I’ve signed up for.  Didn’t really stand out in terms of what he/she was offering.

After about 2 weeks I got an email that had 4 of my unsubscribe triggers in it.  Since I hadn’t seen anything outstanding from this person I decided that it was time to unsubscribe.  Then the little feedback dialog box came up.  So I pointed out the reasons why I was unsubscribing.  Usually this is the end of the story (although I’ve had a couple polite “Thank you for the feedback” type emails).  This time was different.

First, we’ll start with my feedback:

Comments:
Your subject line in the last email triggered 2 things that I hate —  using Re: and mentioning payments.
Also, you don’t mention anything about the product except that it is “normally $47”.
Finally, you’ve used blank lines to push your unsubscribe info further down the page — annoying and in violation of AWeber terms of use.

Not a lot of fluff in there, just the facts.  Here’s what I got back.

Waaaa Waaaaa

You’re like one of these people that look to find stuff to complain about…
You’re also probably one of these guys that purchase something and then find a reason to demand a refund.
I mean, it’s not like you were paying for membership anyways…

Scram off and don’t come back around… I for sure don’t need you or your complaints and attitude… In other words,
GET LOST !!!

Oops.  I guess I came across too harsh somehow.  This poor fellow must be having a bad day and has decided to take it out on me.

Hi XXXXXXXXXX

I’m sorry that my constructive criticisms offended you.  I figured that rather than just unsubscribe I’d let you know why I did.  Sorry that you really didn’t want to hear it.  You might want to turn that feature off in the autoresponder.  It will save both you and your unsubscribers the time.

And I was paying with my time which you obviously don’t care about.  And I could have become a paying customer at some point, but now I never will.

I have never purchased anything and looked for a reason to refund it.  I also don’t look for stuff to complain about, but I do find lots of it as there are lots of people out there like you.  I always hope for the best when I subscribe to a list.  And I try to give people the benefit of the doubt.

Best of luck in the future.  I hope you don’t tell too many people to GET LOST!! though.  It’s pretty hard to sell things when you do that.

Ciao
Bill

Finally, the epiphany email:

You wasn’t going to order anything through us anyways…

Remember, you unsubscribed…

I don’t even want customers like yourself…

You aren’t interested in our services and products…
You are only interested in nosing around different marketers to find out what they are doing, marketing etc..
I have ways to know what others are up to, but don’t pay that much attention until someone like you finds stuff to bitch at.
I really need to eliminate more just like you, but I’m laid back – cool until someone like yourself comes along.
I can take constructive criticism, but yours wasn’t in that nature… It was more like you wanted to take a piss on something…

It’s people like you that are part of the problem in this niche

NOT part of the answer….

So, now we know.  I’m the problem.  If only I didn’t expect marketers to be honest and have respect for my time when they email something.  If only I didn’t expect people to provide me with something of value rather than endless ads.  If only I didn’t expect to build a relationship of trust and respect with someone before I buy their products.

So, to all you struggling internet marketers out there, I’m sorry that I’m part of the problem.

NOTE: This post is a Ramblings Classics. It was originally published at Ramblings on October 14, 2010.

Further Down the Rabbit Hole …

You Won't Like Me When I'm AngryYesterday I wrote about deception in marketing.  Today I want to follow up on the example that I talked about.

I reloaded the landing page with the scarcity tactics again.  The date (as I expected) was today’s date.  The number of copies available was still 17.  I know that at least 1 copy was downloaded by me.

So there we have it — 2 blatant lies on the landing page.

I decided to follow the exit splash pages and see where it lead.  Rather interesting.  There were 4 exit splashes in all.

The first was another opt-in page for a different product.

Exiting from that brought me to a sales page for another product (discounted from $77 to $4.95 until Midnight December 8, 2010).

Exit again, another sales page.  This time for the same product but a free 10 day trial (just $4.95 processing fee).  Uh, okay — NOT!

Exit and another exit splash page.  This one is the creme-de-la-creme of exit splashes!  I’m at the ClickBank page to enter my order information from the last sales page!

Can you imagine this at a shoe store?

“I don’t really like any of the shoes that you’ve shown me.  I’m going to leave now.”

“That’s okay sir, but would you like to step over to the cash register on your way out?  We can run your credit card and put these shoes in a bag for you.”

I don’t know whether I should feel angry at this guy or sorry for him.  At least I can imagine that most people would never follow the trail all the way to the end like I did.  I normally wouldn’t.  In fact, I rarely follow exit splashes at all.

I’m hoping that once his emails start coming that they will show a little more integrity.

NOTE: This post is a Ramblings Classics. It was originally published at Ramblings on December 12, 2010.


Why Do Marketers Use Deception?

DeceptionThe Backlash is Coming

More and more internet marketers are using deceptive sales techniques to use and abuse their lists.

  • They deceive you with the ad swaps and solo ads that they get others to send.
  • They deceive you on the landing pages that you sign up on.
  • They deceive you in the products that they give away.
  • They deceive you in the emails that they send once you’re on their list.

And they expect you to buy from them?

There is a growing concern about this type of marketing amongst those who are attempting to build quality content and real valuable relationships with clients and potential clients.  Many of the people who use these techniques don’t know any better — it’s what they’ve been taught.  But most of them are just looking to squeeze as much juice out of all y’all as they can.

Here is a list of some of the rants that you can find out there:

Let’s Look at an Example

The Ad Swap/Solo Ad

Recently I got an email advertisement that had the subject “I don’t approve of stealing, but this…”  Not a great start if you ask me.  What am I supposed to think?  Should I trust someone who has a reservation about stealing — except for this one thing?

The body of the email basically says that I would probably agree that it is okay for someone to steal something from a person who trusts them <strong>if it is for me</strong>!  Now I’m a criminal.  As long as I benefit then it is okay for someone to betray a trust.

The Landing Page

Well, let’s follow this down the rabbit hole.  Let’s see the landing page I’m being sent to.  Here is a simple page that tells me pretty much nothing about this free gift that I’ll get except that it is used by thousands to get traffic and profits.  An eCover and an opt-in box.  No mention of stealing anything.  Hmm.

There is a couple of limitations though.  This offer is only available on December 7, 2010.  And there are only 17 copies left out of 200 available.  Guess what, I don’t believe either of these statements.

Can I prove that they’re lying?

The Date

Well, it turns out that I can prove at least one of the statements wrong.  Ctrl-Shft-U and up pops the source code of the page.   A quick scan shows me that the date restriction is created using JavaScript to generate the date.  If I was there yesterday then I would have seen “December 6, 2010”.  If I come back tomorrow it will tell me “December 8, 2010”.

Now, it is possible that they put this page up this morning and will take it down at midnight.  But they wouldn’t need to have the JavaScript code to handle it — a hard coded date would have been much easier.  The real test would be to wait until midnight and then reload the page.  I just may do that in the morning and see what’s up.

The Copies Available

I’ll also see if the count drops from 17 after I’ve downloaded the free gift.  Well, after seeing the typical upsell OTO (why do these guys think I’m gonna buy from them before I’ve seen their sample wares?  That’s another discussion altogether) the refresh of the page still shows 17.

Well, I didn’t actually download the product yet, so let’s try that.  Downloading … 3 actual files as part of this product.  Typical Bonus products (although only a few) listed on the download page.

Refresh the landing page.  Still 17 available.  Statement #2 is looking more like a lie.

The Free Gift

Now to take a quick peek at the product.  There is a 25 page guide on traffic, a check list and a process map.  At a quick scan it actually looks like a pretty decent product.  I’m actually impressed with it.  It is well written and is not promoting dishonest traffic techniques.  In fact, it seems to be discouraging that which is refreshing.

It is obviously an introductory product and contains the links to the upsell product that this guy is offering, but I think he’s done a pretty decent job here.  It has some good information and tips for getting started but leaves enough that you’d likely want to buy the main product to get the rest of the details.

Still, no mention of stealing, so I have no clue what the original email was all about.

The New List

Well, I’m now on a new list.  I imagine it will take some time to see how this one shakes out.  The initial welcome email was simple and concise — link to the gift and encouraging word.  The tone is friendly without pretending to be best buddies.  No “hidden opt-out” or other ridiculous list tricks.

I’m actually looking forward to seeing some email from this guy to find out if he can follow up with the goods.  I hope he can.  The initial contact was a bit rocky and I hope that he changes that landing page.  But he did come through on some decent content in the end and I’m hoping to see some good stuff on his list.

Conclusions

Well, what can we conclude from this?

First of all, we need to look at first impressions.  I nearly didn’t click on the link in the initial email.  It set a bad first impression with the implication that I’d agree to be party to theft if it somehow benefited me. That will colour the feelings that I have towards this new list and it will be a hurdle for him to overcome.

The landing page with the false scarcity was also a problem.  Not everyone would be able to look at the source code of the page and see that it, but the fact is that it was a lie.  That doesn’t lead to trust.

So it seems that we have a decent product and, hopefully, a valuable list that I only got to because I wanted an example to write this post.  Otherwise I would have passed on it.

Second of all, my opinion of the promoter has been diminished.  The original list owner that sent out this ad swap/solo ad has been diminished in my eyes.  Whether he wrote the piece about stealing himself or just used ad copy from the new guy is hard to tell.  But having it in his list hurts his rep.  He needs to look at what he’s promoting and how he’s promoting it.  It will reflect on him and now he has to rebuild a level of trust.

So here are my two pieces of advice for you when you’re trying to build your list:

  • Don’t lie in any part of your sales funnel, from the ads you run through to your sales products.  It destroys trust.
  • Don’t promote anyone who does lie.  It will reflect badly on you.

Followup Posts:

Further Down the Rabbit Hole …

NOTE: This post is a Ramblings Classics. It was originally published at Ramblings on December 8, 2010.


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5 Reasons To Use Giveaway Events To Build Your List And 3 Not To

Growing Your List is Tough

I’ve been trying out the world of Giveaway events lately to build some of my lists.  I’ve had some mixed success and I think it’s time to share a bit of what I’ve learned.  I’ll assume that you have a general idea of what a giveaway event is all about (if you don’t, contact me).

Five Reasons To Use Giveaway Events

1 – They’re Free!

You can join a giveaway event as a contributor for free at most events.  There are some events that require you get a minimum number of points before you can contribute — you will either need to buy points or get contributors to sign up with your referral.  But most allow you to have a gift to contribute just for signing up.  You can upgrade your membership if you like.  This will give you the option to add more gifts to the event and even add OTO’s on the various landing pages.  It also puts your gift higher up in the list when the members start pouring in.

But when your budget is tight, you can simply join at the free level and add your single gift.  You will need to promote the event, both to potential JV partners and to general members once the event opens.  If you don’t do this you’ll run the risk of having your gift removed from the list and you’ll get no sign ups.

2 – They’re Easy … ish

Once you get the hang of them, it is really easy to set your profile up.  There are 2 main scripts that are used to run these and you’ll begin to recognize which one is being used just by the sign up page.  The less common of the two will require you get points (from having referrals sign up) before you can add a gift.  So until you’ve got a list of others who are using giveaways you’ll learn to avoid those ones.

Profile:  You sign up with your email address and create a user name.  NOTE: This will put you on the email list of the event organizer(s).  Then you can update your profile with a few pieces of info.  I always put in a decent profile pic to help build my brand but you might want to use a logo or just leave the image blank.  Not all of the events use the image.

Promote for Contributors:  Get your referral link and start promoting.  You need to make sure that you are promoting to marketers at this point since your goal is to get other JV’s to sign up under you.

Gift: Before the event opens to the general members, you’ll need to add your gift.  An image, a short description and the links to your squeeze page are needed here.  Make your copy compelling and you might try to customize your squeeze page for the event.

Some events require a direct download page so that some upgraded members can get your gift without joining your list.  It seems unfair, but if your free gift is done properly you should have links back to your squeeze page or sales page.  And there usually aren’t that many members who take that option.

Promote for Members: Once the doors are open you’ll need to promote again.  This time, it is a general promotion for anyone who might be interested in the niche.  Once again you’ll get points for referred members and that will bring your gift higher in the list.

3 – You Can Make a Bit of Dough

There is money to be made in a giveaway event.  When someone that you refer joins and purchases an upgraded membership or one of the one time offers, you will receive an affiliate commission.  Some events increase the percentage for upgraded members.

This isn’t a big consideration since the primary focus (at least for me) is to build my lists, but it’s nice to know that you could make a few bucks at the same time.

4 – You’ll Meet Your Competition (and Potential Partners)

At a giveaway event, once the doors open you can go in to see what others have to offer in the event.  You’ll pick up valuable free information that you can use to build your business (although you’ll also end up on lots of email lists — you’ll have to prune them as time goes on).

But there are two things you can get in addition to the free gifts.  First, you can see what types of products are on the market (i.e. your competition).  Secondly, you can make contacts with other marketers who have complementary products.  JV partnerships and affiliate opportunities can be found if you watch for them.

5 – You’ll Build Your List

This is the ultimate benefit.  Provided you’ve got a reasonably compelling free gift and decent copy in your promotional blurb and squeeze page you will add subscribers to your list.  If you’ve managed to get the credits to keep your gift near the top of the list you’ll see more traffic than the end.

But either way, you’ll get some traffic.  And at the end of the day that’s what it’s all about.

Three Reasons Not To Use Giveaway Events

Like all marketing tactics, giveaways are not perfect.  They have some drawbacks that you need to watch out for.

1 – They’re Hard for Beginners

When you don’t have a list to begin with, it is pretty tough to promote an event.  Who do you tell?

I struggled with this and actually got downgraded at one event since I didn’t get anyone to join as a contributor.  Most of the other events let it slide but some are more strict than others.  I promoted the events to my small lists and also hit my Twitter followers (you can imagine how well that worked 8=).

I did manage to grow my lists though.  For this next round I’m planning to focus on building a list in the IM market so that I have a higher possibility of contributors when it’s time to promote.  My other lists are not really interested in getting traffic or building mailing lists.

I’m also looking at other ways to promote such as traffic exchanges and list exchanges.  These are interesting topics that I’ve been leery of up til now, but I’m learning how they work and giving them a try.

2 – They’re Not For All Niches

The most common events are in the fabled Make Money Online niche.  They’re full of SEO, Twitter/Facebook secrets, list building, PLR/MRR, etc.  These are great events if you are building your list in that niche.

But I struggled with building my personal development lists.  In the MMO niche there is some cross over but a large percentage of the crowd just doesn’t care about goal setting or simplifying your life.  It is tougher to find giveaway events in other niches, but it is worth it if you can find a good one.

3 – They Add a Lot of Freebie Seekers

You’ll get a lot of people who just sign up for the free gift.  They may hang on your list or they may unsubscribe right away.  Don’t get discouraged when that happens — it will happen.  But that is the nature of the internet.  Many people are only out to get what they can for free.  Every marketer has to face that.

But this does mean that your list may not be as responsive as you would like.  You may have heard that a list is worth $1/month/member or something along those lines.  Well, a list full of freebie seekers will be worth a lot less than a list of buyers.  So keep that in mind if you decide to use giveaway events.

The Bottom Line

As Hamlet might have asked, “To JV, or not to JV?  That is the question.”

The answer is not cut and dried.  If you don’t have a way to get other marketers to the event and promote it then you run the risk of putting a bit of effort out and having your gift cut from the event.  If your niche isn’t a good match for the event then you’ll get very little return for your effort.

But when you get the right event you’ll see an influx to your list.  I haven’t seen the kind of numbers that they promotional materials promise at any of the events, but I do see enough new subscribers to make it worth while for me.

My plan is to join 1 or 2 events at a time and experiment with different types of offers, copy and promotional techniques.

If you would like to try this as well, you can see what events I’m joining and promoting on the Giveaway Events page.  If one of them interests you then join up and I’ll see you there!

You can also subscribe to the newsletter.  In addition to keeping you up to date with Giveaway Events and other opportunities, it’ll have tips, news and free stuff periodically.

NOTE: This post is the first of the Ramblings Classics. It was originally published at Ramblings on April 15, 2011.

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